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Alas The Boatyard Inn burned down in 2017, all that remains is an outbuilding and rubble, so no refreshments here!

Johnson's Hillock Bottom Lock Footbridge

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Johnson's Hillock Flight Lock No 7

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Johnson's Hillock Flight Lock No 6

Johnson's Hillock Lock 6 Footbridge

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Johnson's Hillock Flight Lock No 6

Johnson's Hillock Flight Lock No 6

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Johnson's Hillock Flight Lock No 5

Johnson's Hillock Flight Lock No 5

Johnson's Hillock Lock 5 Footbridge

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Johnson's Hillock Flight Lock No 4

Johnson's Hillock Lock 3 Footbridge

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Johnson's Hillock Flight Lock No 2

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Johnson's Hillock Fight Lock No 3

Johnson's Hillock Lock 2 Footbridge

Johnson's Hillock Top Lock No 58 Footbridge

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Johnson's Hillock Flight Lock No 1

Johnson's Hillock Flight Lock No 1

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See Nav Note

VERY NARROW

Boater operated pumpout is in existence and working (Sept 30th 2019) despite earlier warning in June. CRT North West 25unit card needed, available from nearby marinas/boatyards Toilet and shower facilities now closed (May 2026)

Boater operated pumpout is in existence and working (Sept 30th 2019) despite earlier warning in June. CRT North West 25unit card needed, available from nearby marinas/boatyards Toilet and shower facilities now closed (May 2026)

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C&RT Services

C&RT Services

48 hour moorings

Riley Green Visitor Moorings

Riley Green Visitor Moorings - CRT sign

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Cherry tree visitor moorings - bouts may 2026

Cherry tree visitor moorings - bouts may 2026

Cherry Tree Visitor Moorings (Gladstone Terrace)

Cherry Tree Visitor Moorings

Blackburn Boaters facilities- recycling and non recycling dumpster

Blackburn Boaters facilities- CRT sign

Blackburn Boaters facilities- water and elsan only, toilet and showers are closed

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Blackburn Lock Boaters' Facilities

Blackburn Boaters' Facilities

Fran's Tea Garden (no longer open)

Fran's Tea Garden

Closed (May 2026)

Cherry Tree Visitor Moorings - Gladstone Terrace,

Cherry Tree Visitor Moorings (Gladstone Terrace)

There is a good access,leads to Preston Old Road (A674) where there are shops, including a Sainsbury's Local, and a couple of pubs.

There is a good access,leads to Preston Old Road (A674) where there are shops, including a Sainsbury's Local, and a couple of pubs.

There is a good access,leads to Preston Old Road (A674) where there are shops, including a Sainsbury's Local, and a couple of pubs.

As part of the arm is used for moorings should it be added and marked as not to be included in planning? --- Steve# ----

As part of the arm is used for moorings should it be added and marked as not to be included in planning? --- Steve# ---- I don't think there's any need to exclude it, as people will only plan a troute there if Intending to travel it --- Nick [status=live]

Colne Valley HS2 Viaduct (proposed)

Colne Valley HS2 Viaduct

Fran's Tea Garden

Fran's Tea Garden (no longer open)

As part of the arm is used for moorings should it be added and marked as not to be included in planning? --- Steve# ---- I don't think there's any need to exclude it, as people will only plan a troute there if Intending to travel it --- Nick [status=live]

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Cherry Tree Visitor Moorings

Cherry Tree Visitor Moorings - Gladstone Terrace,

There is a good access,leads to Preston Old Road (A674) where there are shops, including a Sainsbury's Local, and a couple of pubs.

There is a good access,leads to Preston Old Road (A674) where there are shops, including a Sainsbury's Local, and a couple of pubs.

This is an official visitor mooring. Gladstone Terrace, from which there is a good access, leads to Preston Old Road (A674) where there are shops, including a Sainsbury's Local, and a couple of pubs.

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May 26 lift bridge down, hydralic, windlass operated

May 26 lift bridge down, hydralic, windlass operated ---- It does say Normally left up - could be that the farmer has dropped it so he can use it --- Steve ---- [status=live]

May 26 lift bridge down, hydralic, windlass operated ---- It does say Normally left up - could be that the farmer has dropped it so he can use it --- Steve ---- [status=live]

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As there seems to be no way off the towpath here I suspect all the amenities need moving. Not sure how we handle the bus stops as they are bulk loaded and can't be changed --- Steve ---- [status=live]

Blackburn Top Lock 52 Footbridge

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Blackburn Lock 53 Footbridge

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Blackburn Lock 54 Footbridge

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Blackburn Lock 55 Footbridge

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Blackburn Lock 56 Footbridge

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Blackburn Bottom Lock 57 Footbridge

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Infirmary Winding Hole

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Blackburn Lock Sanitary Station

Blackburn Lock Boaters' Facilities

Infirmary Winding Hole

Blackburn Bottom Lock Footbridge

Blackburn Bottom Lock 57 Footbridge

Blackburn Flight of 6 locks Nos 57 to 52

Blackburn Flight Lock No 5

Blackburn Lock 5 Footbridge

Blackburn Lock 56 Footbridge

Blackburn Lock 4 Footbridge

Blackburn Lock 55 Footbridge

Blackburn Flight Lock No 4

Blackburn Lock 3 Footbridge

Blackburn Lock 54 Footbridge

Blackburn Top Lock Footbridge

Blackburn Top Lock 52 Footbridge

Blackburn Lock 2 Footbridge

Blackburn Lock 53 Footbridge

Blackburn Flight Lock No 3

Blackburn Flight Lock No 2

Blackburn Flight of 6 locks Nos 52 to 57

Blackburn Daisyfield Business centre Wharf

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Whitebirk bridge 104C armco

Railway Bridge 105A mooring rinds

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As we now have amenities associated with places what do we do with places like this? Do we remove this place or remove the amenity? --- Steve ---- In this case we probably delete the place and associate the amenity with the lock. In other cases where the pub is more by itself (the SU Anchor, say) we keep the place,but with the pub details in the amenity and with the "use symbol for place") flag set. Worth adding the pub into the extra info for the place if deleting it --- Nick ---- Someone will have a definitive list of all the **lockside** pubs :-) \\ * [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/jh0a|Big Lock]] Middlewich, * (*) [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/djic|Rising Sun]] at Berko, * (*) [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/xz2d|ThreeLocks]] at Soulbury (GU), * (*) [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/adv5|Grove Lock]] (eponymously) L28 GUSouth, (*) * [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/mrh3|The Star]] at Stone (T&M), * [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/lrtx|Red Lion]] at Fenny Stratford (GU) all come easily to mind These also have separate Canalplan places: although the [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/g9gj|Admiral Nelson]] at Braunston L3 does not. \\ Nice to be consistent across the system (??) \\ Deleting the places would break links already created - the Mintball blog for example, and some of these are genuinely historic locations more memorable than the locks they are alongside. \\ For those navigators whose mental map of the system is the connection between good pubs, they allow routes to be selected by the pubs they pass. :-) \\ Resolving the 'double pub' symbols (*) in the circular maps would be good. \\ Similar issues arise with junctions, for example: * (*) [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/adv5|The Swan]] at Fradley J\\ * [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/l86b|Greyhound]] at Hawkesbury J ---PeterScott 22May2026 ----

As we now have amenities associated with places what do we do with places like this? Do we remove this place or remove the amenity? --- Steve ---- In this case we probably delete the place and associate the amenity with the lock. In other cases where the pub is more by itself (the SU Anchor, say) we keep the place,but with the pub details in the amenity and with the "use symbol for place") flag set. Worth adding the pub into the extra info for the place if deleting it --- Nick ---- Someone will have a definitive list of all the **lockside** pubs :-) \\ * [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/jh0a|Big Lock]] Middlewich, * (*) [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/uimy|King's Lock]] Middlewich, * (*) [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/djic|Rising Sun]] at Berko, * (*) [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/xz2d|ThreeLocks]] at Soulbury (GU), * (*) [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/adv5|Grove Lock]] (eponymously) L28 GUSouth, (*) * [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/mrh3|The Star]] at Stone (T&M), * [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/lrtx|Red Lion]] at Fenny Stratford (GU) all come easily to mind These also have separate Canalplan places: although the [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/g9gj|Admiral Nelson]] at Braunston L3 does not. \\ Nice to be consistent across the system (??) \\ Deleting the places would break links already created - the Mintball blog for example, and some of these are genuinely historic locations more memorable than the locks they are alongside. \\ For those navigators whose mental map of the system is the connection between good pubs, they allow routes to be selected by the pubs they pass. :-) \\ Resolving the 'double pub' symbols (*) in the circular maps would be good. \\ Similar issues arise with junctions, for example: * (*) [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/adv5|The Swan]] at Fradley J\\ * [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/l86b|Greyhound]] at Hawkesbury J ---PeterScott 22May2026 ---- [status=live]

As we now have amenities associated with places what do we do with places like this? Do we remove this place or remove the amenity? --- Steve ---- In this case we probably delete the place and associate the amenity with the lock. In other cases where the pub is more by itself (the SU Anchor, say) we keep the place,but with the pub details in the amenity and with the "use symbol for place") flag set. Worth adding the pub into the extra info for the place if deleting it --- Nick ---- Someone will have a definitive list of all the **lockside** pubs :-) \\ * [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/jh0a|Big Lock]] Middlewich, * (*) [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/djic|Rising Sun]] at Berko, * (*) [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/xz2d|ThreeLocks]] at Soulbury (GU), * (*) [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/adv5|Grove Lock]] (eponymously) L28 GUSouth, (*) * [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/mrh3|The Star]] at Stone (T&M), * [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/lrtx|Red Lion]] at Fenny Stratford (GU) all come easily to mind These also have separate Canalplan places: although the [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/g9gj|Admiral Nelson]] at Braunston L3 does not. \\ Nice to be consistent across the system (??) \\ Deleting the places would break links already created - the Mintball blog for example, and some of these are genuinely historic locations more memorable than the locks they are alongside. \\ For those navigators whose mental map of the system is the connection between good pubs, they allow routes to be selected by the pubs they pass. :-) \\ Resolving the 'double pub' symbols (*) in the circular maps would be good. \\ Similar issues arise with junctions: * (*) [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/adv5|The Swan]] at Fradley J\\ * [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/l86b|Greyhound]] at Hawkesbury J ---PeterScott 22May2026 ----

As we now have amenities associated with places what do we do with places like this? Do we remove this place or remove the amenity? --- Steve ---- In this case we probably delete the place and associate the amenity with the lock. In other cases where the pub is more by itself (the SU Anchor, say) we keep the place,but with the pub details in the amenity and with the "use symbol for place") flag set. Worth adding the pub into the extra info for the place if deleting it --- Nick ---- Someone will have a definitive list of all the **lockside** pubs :-) \\ * [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/jh0a|Big Lock]] Middlewich, * (*) [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/uimy|King's Lock]] Middlewich, * (*) [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/djic|Rising Sun]] at Berko, * (*) [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/xz2d|ThreeLocks]] at Soulbury (GU), * (*) [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/adv5|Grove Lock]] (eponymously) L28 GUSouth, (*) * [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/mrh3|The Star]] at Stone (T&M), * [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/lrtx|Red Lion]] at Fenny Stratford (GU) all come easily to mind These also have separate Canalplan places: although the [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/g9gj|Admiral Nelson]] at Braunston L3 does not. \\ Nice to be consistent across the system (??) \\ Deleting the places would break links already created - the Mintball blog for example, and some of these are genuinely historic locations more memorable than the locks they are alongside. \\ For those navigators whose mental map of the system is the connection between good pubs, they allow routes to be selected by the pubs they pass. :-) \\ Resolving the 'double pub' symbols (*) in the circular maps would be good. \\ Similar issues arise with junctions, for example: * (*) [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/adv5|The Swan]] at Fradley J\\ * [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/l86b|Greyhound]] at Hawkesbury J ---PeterScott 22May2026 ---- [status=live]

As we now have amenities associated with places what do we do with places like this? Do we remove this place or remove the amenity? --- Steve ---- In this case we probably delete the place and associate the amenity with the lock. In other cases where the pub is more by itself (the SU Anchor, say) we keep the place,but with the pub details in the amenity and with the "use symbol for place") flag set. Worth adding the pub into the extra info for the place if deleting it --- Nick ---- Someone will have a definitive list of all the **lockside** pubs :-) \\ * [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/jh0a|Big Lock]] Middlewich, * (*) [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/djic|Rising Sun]] at Berko, * (*) [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/xz2d|ThreeLocks]] at Soulbury (GU), * (*) [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/adv5|Grove Lock]] (eponymously) L28 GUSouth, (*) * [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/mrh3|The Star]] at Stone (T&M), * [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/lrtx|Red Lion]] at Fenny Stratford (GU) all come easily to mind These also have separate Canalplan places: although the [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/g9gj|Admiral Nelson]] at Braunston L3 does not. \\ Nice to be consistent across the system (??) \\ Deleting the places would break links already created - the Mintball blog for example, and some of these are genuinely historic locations more memorable than the locks they are alongside. \\ For those navigators whose mental map of the system is the connection between good pubs, they allow routes to be selected by the pubs they pass. :-) \\ Resolving the 'double pub' symbols (*) in the circular maps would be good. \\ Similar issues arise with junctions: * (*) [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/adv5|The Swan]] at Fradley J\\ * [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/l86b|Greyhound]] at Hawkesbury J\\ ---PeterScott 22May2026 ----

As we now have amenities associated with places what do we do with places like this? Do we remove this place or remove the amenity? --- Steve ---- In this case we probably delete the place and associate the amenity with the lock. In other cases where the pub is more by itself (the SU Anchor, say) we keep the place,but with the pub details in the amenity and with the "use symbol for place") flag set. Worth adding the pub into the extra info for the place if deleting it --- Nick ---- Someone will have a definitive list of all the **lockside** pubs :-) \\ * [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/jh0a|Big Lock]] Middlewich, * (*) [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/uimy|King's Lock]] Middlewich, * (*) [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/djic|Rising Sun]] at Berko, * (*) [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/xz2d|ThreeLocks]] at Soulbury (GU), * (*) [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/adv5|Grove Lock]] (eponymously) L28 GUSouth, (*) * [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/mrh3|The Star]] at Stone (T&M), * [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/lrtx|Red Lion]] at Fenny Stratford (GU) all come easily to mind These also have separate Canalplan places: although the [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/g9gj|Admiral Nelson]] at Braunston L3 does not. \\ Nice to be consistent across the system (??) \\ Deleting the places would break links already created - the Mintball blog for example, and some of these are genuinely historic locations more memorable than the locks they are alongside. \\ For those navigators whose mental map of the system is the connection between good pubs, they allow routes to be selected by the pubs they pass. :-) \\ Resolving the 'double pub' symbols (*) in the circular maps would be good. \\ Similar issues arise with junctions, for example: * (*) [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/adv5|The Swan]] at Fradley J\\ * [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/l86b|Greyhound]] at Hawkesbury J ---PeterScott 22May2026 ---- [status=live]

As we now have amenities associated with places what do we do with places like this? Do we remove this place or remove the amenity? --- Steve ---- In this case we probably delete the place and associate the amenity with the lock. In other cases where the pub is more by itself (the SU Anchor, say) we keep the place,but with the pub details in the amenity and with the "use symbol for place") flag set. Worth adding the pub into the extra info for the place if deleting it --- Nick ---- Someone will have a definitive list of all the **lockside** pubs :-) \\ * [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/jh0a|Big Lock]] Middlewich, * (*) [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/djic|Rising Sun]] at Berko, * (*) [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/xz2d|ThreeLocks]] at Soulbury (GU), * (*) [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/adv5|Grove Lock]] (eponymously) L28 GUSouth, (*) * [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/mrh3|The Star]] at Stone (T&M), * [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/lrtx|Red Lion]] at Fenny Stratford (GU) all come easily to mind These also have separate Canalplan places: although the [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/g9gj|Admiral Nelson]] at Braunston L3 does not. \\ Nice to be consistent across the system (??) \\ Deleting the places would break links already created - the Mintball blog for example, and some of these are genuinely historic locations more memorable than the locks they are alongside. \\ For those navigators whose mental map of the system is the connection between good pubs, they allow routes to be selected by the pubs they pass. :-) \\ Resolving the 'double pub' symbols (*) in the circular maps would be good. \\ ---PeterScott 22May2026 ----

As we now have amenities associated with places what do we do with places like this? Do we remove this place or remove the amenity? --- Steve ---- In this case we probably delete the place and associate the amenity with the lock. In other cases where the pub is more by itself (the SU Anchor, say) we keep the place,but with the pub details in the amenity and with the "use symbol for place") flag set. Worth adding the pub into the extra info for the place if deleting it --- Nick ---- Someone will have a definitive list of all the **lockside** pubs :-) \\ * [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/jh0a|Big Lock]] Middlewich, * (*) [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/uimy|King's Lock]] Middlewich, * (*) [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/djic|Rising Sun]] at Berko, * (*) [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/xz2d|ThreeLocks]] at Soulbury (GU), * (*) [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/adv5|Grove Lock]] (eponymously) L28 GUSouth, (*) * [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/mrh3|The Star]] at Stone (T&M), * [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/lrtx|Red Lion]] at Fenny Stratford (GU) all come easily to mind These also have separate Canalplan places: although the [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/g9gj|Admiral Nelson]] at Braunston L3 does not. \\ Nice to be consistent across the system (??) \\ Deleting the places would break links already created - the Mintball blog for example, and some of these are genuinely historic locations more memorable than the locks they are alongside. \\ For those navigators whose mental map of the system is the connection between good pubs, they allow routes to be selected by the pubs they pass. :-) \\ Resolving the 'double pub' symbols (*) in the circular maps would be good. \\ Similar issues arise with junctions, for example: * (*) [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/adv5|The Swan]] at Fradley J\\ * [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/l86b|Greyhound]] at Hawkesbury J ---PeterScott 22May2026 ---- [status=live]

As we now have amenities associated with places what do we do with places like this? Do we remove this place or remove the amenity? --- Steve ---- In this case we probably delete the place and associate the amenity with the lock. In other cases where the pub is more by itself (the SU Anchor, say) we keep the place,but with the pub details in the amenity and with the "use symbol for place") flag set. Worth adding the pub into the extra info for the place if deleting it --- Nick ---- Someone will have a definitive list of all the **lockside** pubs :-) \\ * [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/jh0a|Big Lock]] Middlewich, * (*) [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/djic|Rising Sun]] at Berko, * (*) [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/xz2d|ThreeLocks]] at Soulbury (GU), * (*) [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/adv5|Grove Lock]] (eponymously) L28 GUSouth, (*) * [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/mrh3|The Star]] at Stone (T&M), [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/lrtx|Red Lion]] at Fenny Stratford (GU) all come easily to mind\\ \\ These also have separate Canalplan places: although the [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/g9gj|Admiral Nelson]] at Braunston L3 does not. \\ Nice to be consistent across the system (??) \\ Deleting the places would break links already created - the Mintball blog for example, and some of these are genuinely historic locations more memorable than the locks they are alongside. \\ For those navigators whose mental map of the system is the connection between good pubs, they allow routes to be selected by the pubs they pass. :-) \\ Resolving the 'double pub' symbols (*) in the circular maps would be good. \\ ---PeterScott 22May2026 ----

As we now have amenities associated with places what do we do with places like this? Do we remove this place or remove the amenity? --- Steve ---- In this case we probably delete the place and associate the amenity with the lock. In other cases where the pub is more by itself (the SU Anchor, say) we keep the place,but with the pub details in the amenity and with the "use symbol for place") flag set. Worth adding the pub into the extra info for the place if deleting it --- Nick ---- Someone will have a definitive list of all the **lockside** pubs :-) \\ * [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/jh0a|Big Lock]] Middlewich, * (*) [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/uimy|King's Lock]] Middlewich, * (*) [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/djic|Rising Sun]] at Berko, * (*) [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/xz2d|ThreeLocks]] at Soulbury (GU), * (*) [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/adv5|Grove Lock]] (eponymously) L28 GUSouth, (*) * [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/mrh3|The Star]] at Stone (T&M), * [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/lrtx|Red Lion]] at Fenny Stratford (GU) all come easily to mind These also have separate Canalplan places: although the [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/g9gj|Admiral Nelson]] at Braunston L3 does not. \\ Nice to be consistent across the system (??) \\ Deleting the places would break links already created - the Mintball blog for example, and some of these are genuinely historic locations more memorable than the locks they are alongside. \\ For those navigators whose mental map of the system is the connection between good pubs, they allow routes to be selected by the pubs they pass. :-) \\ Resolving the 'double pub' symbols (*) in the circular maps would be good. \\ Similar issues arise with junctions, for example: * (*) [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/adv5|The Swan]] at Fradley J\\ * [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/l86b|Greyhound]] at Hawkesbury J ---PeterScott 22May2026 ---- [status=live]

As we now have amenities associated with places what do we do with places like this? Do we remove this place or remove the amenity? --- Steve ---- In this case we probably delete the place and associate the amenity with the lock. In other cases where the pub is more by itself (the SU Anchor, say) we keep the place,but with the pub details in the amenity and with the "use symbol for place") flag set. Worth adding the pub into the extra info for the place if deleting it --- Nick ---- Someone will have a definitive list of all the **lockside** pubs :-) \\ * [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/jh0a|Big Lock]] Middlewich, * (*) [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/djic|Rising Sun]] at Berko, * (*) [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/xz2d|ThreeLocks]] at Soulbury (GU), * (*) [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/adv5|Grove Lock]] (eponymously) L28 GUSouth, (*) * [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/mrh3|The Star]] at Stone (T&M), [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/lrtx|Red Lion]] at Fenny Stratford (GU) come to mind\\ these also have separate Canalplan places: although the [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/g9gj|Admiral Nelson]] at Braunston L3 does not. \\ Nice to be consistent across the system (??) \\ Deleting the places would break links already created - the Mintball blog for example, and some of these are genuinely historic locations more memorable than the locks they are alongside. \\ For those navigators whose mental map of the system is the connection between good pubs, they allow routes to be selected by the pubs they pass. :-) \\ Resolving the 'double pub' symbols (*) in the circular maps would be good. \\ ---PeterScott 22May2026 ----

As we now have amenities associated with places what do we do with places like this? Do we remove this place or remove the amenity? --- Steve ---- In this case we probably delete the place and associate the amenity with the lock. In other cases where the pub is more by itself (the SU Anchor, say) we keep the place,but with the pub details in the amenity and with the "use symbol for place") flag set. Worth adding the pub into the extra info for the place if deleting it --- Nick ---- Someone will have a definitive list of all the **lockside** pubs :-) \\ * [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/jh0a|Big Lock]] Middlewich, * (*) [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/uimy|King's Lock]] Middlewich, * (*) [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/djic|Rising Sun]] at Berko, * (*) [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/xz2d|ThreeLocks]] at Soulbury (GU), * (*) [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/adv5|Grove Lock]] (eponymously) L28 GUSouth, (*) * [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/mrh3|The Star]] at Stone (T&M), * [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/lrtx|Red Lion]] at Fenny Stratford (GU) all come easily to mind These also have separate Canalplan places: although the [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/g9gj|Admiral Nelson]] at Braunston L3 does not. \\ Nice to be consistent across the system (??) \\ Deleting the places would break links already created - the Mintball blog for example, and some of these are genuinely historic locations more memorable than the locks they are alongside. \\ For those navigators whose mental map of the system is the connection between good pubs, they allow routes to be selected by the pubs they pass. :-) \\ Resolving the 'double pub' symbols (*) in the circular maps would be good. \\ Similar issues arise with junctions, for example: * (*) [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/adv5|The Swan]] at Fradley J\\ * [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/l86b|Greyhound]] at Hawkesbury J ---PeterScott 22May2026 ---- [status=live]

As we now have amenities associated with places what do we do with places like this? Do we remove this place or remove the amenity? --- Steve ---- In this case we probably delete the place and associate the amenity with the lock. In other cases where the pub is more by itself (the SU Anchor, say) we keep the place,but with the pub details in the amenity and with the "use symbol for place") flag set. Worth adding the pub into the extra info for the place if deleting it --- Nick ---- Someone will have a definitive list of all the **lockside** pubs :-) \\ ** [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/jh0a|Big Lock]] Middlewich, ** (*) [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/djic|Rising Sun]] at Berko, ** (*) [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/xz2d|ThreeLocks]] at Soulbury (GU), ** (*) [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/adv5|Grove Lock]] (eponymously) L28 GUSouth, (*) ** [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/mrh3|The Star]] at Stone (T&M), [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/lrtx|Red Lion]] at Fenny Stratford (GU) come to mind\\ these also have separate Canalplan places: although the [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/g9gj|Admiral Nelson]] at Braunston L3 does not. \\ Nice to be consistent across the system (??) \\ Deleting the places would break links already created - the Mintball blog for example, and some of these are genuinely historic locations more memorable than the locks they are alongside. \\ For those navigators whose mental map of the system is the connection between good pubs, they allow routes to be selected by the pubs they pass. :-) \\ Resolving the 'double pub' symbols (*) in the circular maps would be good. \\ ---PeterScott 22May2026 ----

As we now have amenities associated with places what do we do with places like this? Do we remove this place or remove the amenity? --- Steve ---- In this case we probably delete the place and associate the amenity with the lock. In other cases where the pub is more by itself (the SU Anchor, say) we keep the place,but with the pub details in the amenity and with the "use symbol for place") flag set. Worth adding the pub into the extra info for the place if deleting it --- Nick ---- Someone will have a definitive list of all the **lockside** pubs :-) \\ * [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/jh0a|Big Lock]] Middlewich, * (*) [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/uimy|King's Lock]] Middlewich, * (*) [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/djic|Rising Sun]] at Berko, * (*) [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/xz2d|ThreeLocks]] at Soulbury (GU), * (*) [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/adv5|Grove Lock]] (eponymously) L28 GUSouth, (*) * [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/mrh3|The Star]] at Stone (T&M), * [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/lrtx|Red Lion]] at Fenny Stratford (GU) all come easily to mind These also have separate Canalplan places: although the [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/g9gj|Admiral Nelson]] at Braunston L3 does not. \\ Nice to be consistent across the system (??) \\ Deleting the places would break links already created - the Mintball blog for example, and some of these are genuinely historic locations more memorable than the locks they are alongside. \\ For those navigators whose mental map of the system is the connection between good pubs, they allow routes to be selected by the pubs they pass. :-) \\ Resolving the 'double pub' symbols (*) in the circular maps would be good. \\ Similar issues arise with junctions, for example: * (*) [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/adv5|The Swan]] at Fradley J\\ * [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/l86b|Greyhound]] at Hawkesbury J ---PeterScott 22May2026 ---- [status=live]

As we now have amenities associated with places what do we do with places like this? Do we remove this place or remove the amenity? --- Steve ---- In this case we probably delete the place and associate the amenity with the lock. In other cases where the pub is more by itself (the SU Anchor, say) we keep the place,but with the pub details in the amenity and with the "use symbol for place") flag set. Worth adding the pub into the extra info for the place if deleting it --- Nick ---- Someone will have a definitive list of all the **lockside** pubs :-) \\ [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/jh0a|Big Lock]] Middlewich, (*) [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/djic|Rising Sun]] at Berko, (*) [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/xz2d|ThreeLocks]] at Soulbury (GU), (*) [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/adv5|Grove Lock]] (eponymously) L28 GUSouth, (*) [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/mrh3|The Star]] at Stone (T&M), [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/lrtx|Red Lion]] at Fenny Stratford (GU) come to mind: these also have separate Canalplan places: although the [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/g9gj|Admiral Nelson]] at Braunston L3 does not. \\ Nice to be consistent across the system (??) Deleting the places would break links already created - the Mintball blog for example, and some of these are genuinely historic locations more memorable than the locks they are beside. For those navigators whose mental map of the system is the connection between good pubs, they allow routes to be selected by the pubs they pass. :-) \\ Resolving the 'double pub' symbols (*) in the circular maps would be good. ---PeterScott 22May2026 ----

As we now have amenities associated with places what do we do with places like this? Do we remove this place or remove the amenity? --- Steve ---- In this case we probably delete the place and associate the amenity with the lock. In other cases where the pub is more by itself (the SU Anchor, say) we keep the place,but with the pub details in the amenity and with the "use symbol for place") flag set. Worth adding the pub into the extra info for the place if deleting it --- Nick ---- Someone will have a definitive list of all the **lockside** pubs :-) \\ * [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/jh0a|Big Lock]] Middlewich, * (*) [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/uimy|King's Lock]] Middlewich, * (*) [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/djic|Rising Sun]] at Berko, * (*) [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/xz2d|ThreeLocks]] at Soulbury (GU), * (*) [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/adv5|Grove Lock]] (eponymously) L28 GUSouth, (*) * [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/mrh3|The Star]] at Stone (T&M), * [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/lrtx|Red Lion]] at Fenny Stratford (GU) all come easily to mind These also have separate Canalplan places: although the [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/g9gj|Admiral Nelson]] at Braunston L3 does not. \\ Nice to be consistent across the system (??) \\ Deleting the places would break links already created - the Mintball blog for example, and some of these are genuinely historic locations more memorable than the locks they are alongside. \\ For those navigators whose mental map of the system is the connection between good pubs, they allow routes to be selected by the pubs they pass. :-) \\ Resolving the 'double pub' symbols (*) in the circular maps would be good. \\ Similar issues arise with junctions, for example: * (*) [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/adv5|The Swan]] at Fradley J\\ * [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/l86b|Greyhound]] at Hawkesbury J ---PeterScott 22May2026 ---- [status=live]

The Swan PH

The Swan PH (Marbury)

As we now have amenities associated with places what do we do with places like this? Do we remove this place or remove the amenity? --- Steve ---- In this case we probably delete the place and associate the amenity with the lock. In other cases where the pub is more by itself (the SU Anchor, say) we keep the place,but with the pub details in the amenity and with the "use symbol for place") flag set. Worth adding the pub into the extra info for the place if deleting it --- Nick ---- Someone will have a definitive list of all the **lockside** pubs :-) [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/jh0a|Big Lock]] Middlewich, (*) [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/djic|Rising Sun]] at Berko, (*) [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/xz2d|ThreeLocks]] at Soulbury (GU), (*) [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/adv5|Grove Lock]] (eponymously) L28 GUSouth, (*) [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/mrh3|The Star]] at Stone (T&M), [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/lrtx|Red Lion]] at Fenny Stratford (GU) come to mind: these also have separate Canalplan places: although the [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/g9gj|Admiral Nelson]] at Braunston L3 does not. Nice to be consistent across the system (??) Deleting the places would break links already created - the Mintball blog for example, and some of these are genuinely historic locations more memorable than the locks they are beside. For those navigators whose mental map of the system is the connection between good pubs, they allow routes to be selected by the pubs they pass. :-) Resolving the 'double pub' symbols (*) in the circular maps would be good. ---PeterScott 22May2026 ----

As we now have amenities associated with places what do we do with places like this? Do we remove this place or remove the amenity? --- Steve ---- In this case we probably delete the place and associate the amenity with the lock. In other cases where the pub is more by itself (the SU Anchor, say) we keep the place,but with the pub details in the amenity and with the "use symbol for place") flag set. Worth adding the pub into the extra info for the place if deleting it --- Nick ---- Someone will have a definitive list of all the **lockside** pubs :-) \\ * [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/jh0a|Big Lock]] Middlewich, * (*) [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/uimy|King's Lock]] Middlewich, * (*) [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/djic|Rising Sun]] at Berko, * (*) [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/xz2d|ThreeLocks]] at Soulbury (GU), * (*) [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/adv5|Grove Lock]] (eponymously) L28 GUSouth, (*) * [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/mrh3|The Star]] at Stone (T&M), * [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/lrtx|Red Lion]] at Fenny Stratford (GU) all come easily to mind These also have separate Canalplan places: although the [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/g9gj|Admiral Nelson]] at Braunston L3 does not. \\ Nice to be consistent across the system (??) \\ Deleting the places would break links already created - the Mintball blog for example, and some of these are genuinely historic locations more memorable than the locks they are alongside. \\ For those navigators whose mental map of the system is the connection between good pubs, they allow routes to be selected by the pubs they pass. :-) \\ Resolving the 'double pub' symbols (*) in the circular maps would be good. \\ Similar issues arise with junctions, for example: * (*) [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/adv5|The Swan]] at Fradley J\\ * [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/l86b|Greyhound]] at Hawkesbury J ---PeterScott 22May2026 ---- [status=live]

As we now have amenities associated with places what do we do with places like this? Do we remove this place or remove the amenity? --- Steve ---- In this case we probably delete the place and associate the amenity with the lock. In other cases where the pub is more by itself (the SU Anchor, say) we keep the place,but with the pub details in the amenity and with the "use symbol for place") flag set. Worth adding the pub into the extra info for the place if deleting it --- Nick ---- Someone will have a list of all the **lockside** pubs :-) [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/jh0a|Big Lock]] Middlewich, (*) [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/djic|Rising Sun]] at Berko, (*) [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/xz2d|ThreeLocks]] at Soulbury (GU), (*) [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/adv5|Grove Lock]] (eponymously) L28 GUSouth, (*) [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/mrh3|The Star]] at Stone (T&M), [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/lrtx|Red Lion]] at Fenny Stratford (GU) come to mind: these also have separate Canalplan places: although the [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/g9gj|Admiral Nelson]] at Braunston L3 does not. Nice to be consistent across the system (??) Deleting the places would break links already created - the Mintball blog for example, and some of these are genuinely historic locations more memorable than the locks they are beside. For those navigators whose mental map of the system is the connection between good pubs, they allow routes to be selected by the pubs they pass. :-) Resolving the 'double pub' symbols (*) in the circular maps would be good. ---PeterScott 22May2026 ----

As we now have amenities associated with places what do we do with places like this? Do we remove this place or remove the amenity? --- Steve ---- In this case we probably delete the place and associate the amenity with the lock. In other cases where the pub is more by itself (the SU Anchor, say) we keep the place,but with the pub details in the amenity and with the "use symbol for place") flag set. Worth adding the pub into the extra info for the place if deleting it --- Nick ---- Someone will have a definitive list of all the **lockside** pubs :-) \\ * [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/jh0a|Big Lock]] Middlewich, * (*) [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/uimy|King's Lock]] Middlewich, * (*) [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/djic|Rising Sun]] at Berko, * (*) [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/xz2d|ThreeLocks]] at Soulbury (GU), * (*) [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/adv5|Grove Lock]] (eponymously) L28 GUSouth, (*) * [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/mrh3|The Star]] at Stone (T&M), * [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/lrtx|Red Lion]] at Fenny Stratford (GU) all come easily to mind These also have separate Canalplan places: although the [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/g9gj|Admiral Nelson]] at Braunston L3 does not. \\ Nice to be consistent across the system (??) \\ Deleting the places would break links already created - the Mintball blog for example, and some of these are genuinely historic locations more memorable than the locks they are alongside. \\ For those navigators whose mental map of the system is the connection between good pubs, they allow routes to be selected by the pubs they pass. :-) \\ Resolving the 'double pub' symbols (*) in the circular maps would be good. \\ Similar issues arise with junctions, for example: * (*) [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/adv5|The Swan]] at Fradley J\\ * [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/l86b|Greyhound]] at Hawkesbury J ---PeterScott 22May2026 ---- [status=live]

As we now have amenities associated with places what do we do with places like this? Do we remove this place or remove the amenity? --- Steve ---- In this case we probably delete the place and associate the amenity with the lock. In other cases where the pub is more by itself (the SU Anchor, say) we keep the place,but with the pub details in the amenity and with the "use symbol for place") flag set. Worth adding the pub into the extra info for the place if deleting it --- Nick ---- Someone will have a list of all the **lockside** pubs :-) [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/jh0a|Big Lock]] Middlewich, (*) [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/djic|Rising Sun]] at Berko, (*) [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/xz2d|ThreeLocks]] at Soulbury (GU), (*) [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/adv5|Grove Lock]] (eponymously) L28 GUSouth, (*) [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/mrh3|The Star]] at Stone (T&M), [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/lrtx|Red Lion]] at Fenny Stratford (GU) come to mind: these also have separate Canalplan places: although the [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/g9gj|Admiral Nelson]] at Braunston L3 does not. Nice to be consistent across the system (??) Deleting the places would break links already created - the Mintball blog for example. Resolving the 'double pub' symbols (*) in the circular maps would be good. ---PeterScott 22May2026 ----

As we now have amenities associated with places what do we do with places like this? Do we remove this place or remove the amenity? --- Steve ---- In this case we probably delete the place and associate the amenity with the lock. In other cases where the pub is more by itself (the SU Anchor, say) we keep the place,but with the pub details in the amenity and with the "use symbol for place") flag set. Worth adding the pub into the extra info for the place if deleting it --- Nick ---- Someone will have a definitive list of all the **lockside** pubs :-) \\ * [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/jh0a|Big Lock]] Middlewich, * (*) [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/uimy|King's Lock]] Middlewich, * (*) [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/djic|Rising Sun]] at Berko, * (*) [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/xz2d|ThreeLocks]] at Soulbury (GU), * (*) [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/adv5|Grove Lock]] (eponymously) L28 GUSouth, (*) * [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/mrh3|The Star]] at Stone (T&M), * [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/lrtx|Red Lion]] at Fenny Stratford (GU) all come easily to mind These also have separate Canalplan places: although the [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/g9gj|Admiral Nelson]] at Braunston L3 does not. \\ Nice to be consistent across the system (??) \\ Deleting the places would break links already created - the Mintball blog for example, and some of these are genuinely historic locations more memorable than the locks they are alongside. \\ For those navigators whose mental map of the system is the connection between good pubs, they allow routes to be selected by the pubs they pass. :-) \\ Resolving the 'double pub' symbols (*) in the circular maps would be good. \\ Similar issues arise with junctions, for example: * (*) [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/adv5|The Swan]] at Fradley J\\ * [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/l86b|Greyhound]] at Hawkesbury J ---PeterScott 22May2026 ---- [status=live]

As we now have amenities associated with places what do we do with places like this? Do we remove this place or remove the amenity? --- Steve ---- In this case we probably delete the place and associate the amenity with the lock. In other cases where the pub is more by itself (the SU Anchor, say) we keep the place,but with the pub details in the amenity and with the "use symbol for place") flag set. Worth adding the pub into the extra info for the place if deleting it --- Nick ---- Someone will have a list of all the **lockside** pubs :-) [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/jh0a|Big Lock]] Middlewich, (*) [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/djic|Rising Sun]] at Berko, (*) [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/xz2d|ThreeLocks]] at Soulbury (GU), (*) [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/adv5|Grove Lock]] (eponymously) L28 GUSouth, [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/mrh3|The Star]] at Stone (T&M), [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/lrtx|Red Lion]] at Fenny Stratford (GU) come to mind: these also have separate Canalplan places: although the [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/g9gj|Admiral Nelson]] at Braunston L3 does not. Nice to be consistent across the system (??) Deleting the places would break links already created - the Mintball blog for example. Resolving the 'double pub' symbols (*) in the circular maps would be good. ---PeterScott 22May2026 ----

As we now have amenities associated with places what do we do with places like this? Do we remove this place or remove the amenity? --- Steve ---- In this case we probably delete the place and associate the amenity with the lock. In other cases where the pub is more by itself (the SU Anchor, say) we keep the place,but with the pub details in the amenity and with the "use symbol for place") flag set. Worth adding the pub into the extra info for the place if deleting it --- Nick ---- Someone will have a definitive list of all the **lockside** pubs :-) \\ * [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/jh0a|Big Lock]] Middlewich, * (*) [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/uimy|King's Lock]] Middlewich, * (*) [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/djic|Rising Sun]] at Berko, * (*) [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/xz2d|ThreeLocks]] at Soulbury (GU), * (*) [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/adv5|Grove Lock]] (eponymously) L28 GUSouth, (*) * [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/mrh3|The Star]] at Stone (T&M), * [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/lrtx|Red Lion]] at Fenny Stratford (GU) all come easily to mind These also have separate Canalplan places: although the [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/g9gj|Admiral Nelson]] at Braunston L3 does not. \\ Nice to be consistent across the system (??) \\ Deleting the places would break links already created - the Mintball blog for example, and some of these are genuinely historic locations more memorable than the locks they are alongside. \\ For those navigators whose mental map of the system is the connection between good pubs, they allow routes to be selected by the pubs they pass. :-) \\ Resolving the 'double pub' symbols (*) in the circular maps would be good. \\ Similar issues arise with junctions, for example: * (*) [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/adv5|The Swan]] at Fradley J\\ * [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/l86b|Greyhound]] at Hawkesbury J ---PeterScott 22May2026 ---- [status=live]

As we now have amenities associated with places what do we do with places like this? Do we remove this place or remove the amenity? --- Steve ---- In this case we probably delete the place and associate the amenity with the lock. In other cases where the pub is more by itself (the SU Anchor, say) we keep the place,but with the pub details in the amenity and with the "use symbol for place") flag set. Worth adding the pub into the extra info for the place if deleting it --- Nick ---- Someone will have a list of all the **lockside** pubs :-) [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/jh0a|Big Lock]] Middlewich, (*) [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/djic|Rising Sun]] at Berko, (*) [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/xz2d|ThreeLocks]] at Soulbury (GU), [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/adv5|Grove Lock]] (eponymously) L28 GUSouth, [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/mrh3|The Star]] at Stone (T&M), [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/lrtx|Red Lion]] at Fenny Stratford (GU) come to mind: these also have separate Canalplan places: although the [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/g9gj|Admiral Nelson]] at Braunston L3 does not. Nice to be consistent across the system (??) Deleting the places would break links already created - the Mintball blog for example. Resolving the 'double pub' symbols (*) in the circular maps would be good. ---PeterScott 22May2026 ----

As we now have amenities associated with places what do we do with places like this? Do we remove this place or remove the amenity? --- Steve ---- In this case we probably delete the place and associate the amenity with the lock. In other cases where the pub is more by itself (the SU Anchor, say) we keep the place,but with the pub details in the amenity and with the "use symbol for place") flag set. Worth adding the pub into the extra info for the place if deleting it --- Nick ---- Someone will have a definitive list of all the **lockside** pubs :-) \\ * [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/jh0a|Big Lock]] Middlewich, * (*) [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/uimy|King's Lock]] Middlewich, * (*) [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/djic|Rising Sun]] at Berko, * (*) [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/xz2d|ThreeLocks]] at Soulbury (GU), * (*) [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/adv5|Grove Lock]] (eponymously) L28 GUSouth, (*) * [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/mrh3|The Star]] at Stone (T&M), * [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/lrtx|Red Lion]] at Fenny Stratford (GU) all come easily to mind These also have separate Canalplan places: although the [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/g9gj|Admiral Nelson]] at Braunston L3 does not. \\ Nice to be consistent across the system (??) \\ Deleting the places would break links already created - the Mintball blog for example, and some of these are genuinely historic locations more memorable than the locks they are alongside. \\ For those navigators whose mental map of the system is the connection between good pubs, they allow routes to be selected by the pubs they pass. :-) \\ Resolving the 'double pub' symbols (*) in the circular maps would be good. \\ Similar issues arise with junctions, for example: * (*) [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/adv5|The Swan]] at Fradley J\\ * [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/l86b|Greyhound]] at Hawkesbury J ---PeterScott 22May2026 ---- [status=live]

As we now have amenities associated with places what do we do with places like this? Do we remove this place or remove the amenity? --- Steve ---- In this case we probably delete the place and associate the amenity with the lock. In other cases where the pub is more by itself (the SU Anchor, say) we keep the place,but with the pub details in the amenity and with the "use symbol for place") flag set. Worth adding the pub into the extra info for the place if deleting it --- Nick ---- Someone will have a list of all the **lockside** pubs :-) [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/jh0a|Big Lock]] Middlewich, [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/djic|Rising Sun]] at Berko, (*) [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/xz2d|ThreeLocks]] at Soulbury (GU), [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/adv5|Grove Lock]] (eponymously) L28 GUSouth, [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/mrh3|The Star]] at Stone (T&M), [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/lrtx|Red Lion]] at Fenny Stratford (GU) come to mind: these also have separate Canalplan places: although the [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/g9gj|Admiral Nelson]] at Braunston L3 does not. Nice to be consistent across the system (??) Deleting the places would break links already created - the Mintball blog for example. Resolving the 'double pub' symbols (*) in the circular maps would be good. ---PeterScott 22May2026 ----

As we now have amenities associated with places what do we do with places like this? Do we remove this place or remove the amenity? --- Steve ---- In this case we probably delete the place and associate the amenity with the lock. In other cases where the pub is more by itself (the SU Anchor, say) we keep the place,but with the pub details in the amenity and with the "use symbol for place") flag set. Worth adding the pub into the extra info for the place if deleting it --- Nick ---- Someone will have a definitive list of all the **lockside** pubs :-) \\ * [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/jh0a|Big Lock]] Middlewich, * (*) [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/uimy|King's Lock]] Middlewich, * (*) [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/djic|Rising Sun]] at Berko, * (*) [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/xz2d|ThreeLocks]] at Soulbury (GU), * (*) [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/adv5|Grove Lock]] (eponymously) L28 GUSouth, (*) * [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/mrh3|The Star]] at Stone (T&M), * [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/lrtx|Red Lion]] at Fenny Stratford (GU) all come easily to mind These also have separate Canalplan places: although the [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/g9gj|Admiral Nelson]] at Braunston L3 does not. \\ Nice to be consistent across the system (??) \\ Deleting the places would break links already created - the Mintball blog for example, and some of these are genuinely historic locations more memorable than the locks they are alongside. \\ For those navigators whose mental map of the system is the connection between good pubs, they allow routes to be selected by the pubs they pass. :-) \\ Resolving the 'double pub' symbols (*) in the circular maps would be good. \\ Similar issues arise with junctions, for example: * (*) [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/adv5|The Swan]] at Fradley J\\ * [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/l86b|Greyhound]] at Hawkesbury J ---PeterScott 22May2026 ---- [status=live]

As we now have amenities associated with places what do we do with places like this? Do we remove this place or remove the amenity? --- Steve ---- In this case we probably delete the place and associate the amenity with the lock. In other cases where the pub is more by itself (the SU Anchor, say) we keep the place,but with the pub details in the amenity and with the "use symbol for place") flag set. Worth adding the pub into the extra info for the place if deleting it --- Nick ---- Someone will have a list of all the **lockside** pubs :-) [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/jh0a|Big Lock]] Middlewich, [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/djic|Rising Sun]] at Berko, [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/xz2d|ThreeLocks]] at Soulbury (GU), [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/adv5|Grove Lock]] (eponymously) L28 GUSouth, [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/mrh3|The Star]] at Stone (T&M), [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/lrtx|Red Lion]] at Fenny Stratford (GU) come to mind: these also have separate Canalplan places: although the [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/g9gj|Admiral Nelson]] at Braunston L3 does not. Nice to be consistent across the system (??) Deleting the places would break links already created - the Mintball blog for example. Resolving the 'double pub' symbols in the circular maps would be good. ---PeterScott 22May2026 ----

As we now have amenities associated with places what do we do with places like this? Do we remove this place or remove the amenity? --- Steve ---- In this case we probably delete the place and associate the amenity with the lock. In other cases where the pub is more by itself (the SU Anchor, say) we keep the place,but with the pub details in the amenity and with the "use symbol for place") flag set. Worth adding the pub into the extra info for the place if deleting it --- Nick ---- Someone will have a definitive list of all the **lockside** pubs :-) \\ * [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/jh0a|Big Lock]] Middlewich, * (*) [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/uimy|King's Lock]] Middlewich, * (*) [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/djic|Rising Sun]] at Berko, * (*) [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/xz2d|ThreeLocks]] at Soulbury (GU), * (*) [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/adv5|Grove Lock]] (eponymously) L28 GUSouth, (*) * [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/mrh3|The Star]] at Stone (T&M), * [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/lrtx|Red Lion]] at Fenny Stratford (GU) all come easily to mind These also have separate Canalplan places: although the [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/g9gj|Admiral Nelson]] at Braunston L3 does not. \\ Nice to be consistent across the system (??) \\ Deleting the places would break links already created - the Mintball blog for example, and some of these are genuinely historic locations more memorable than the locks they are alongside. \\ For those navigators whose mental map of the system is the connection between good pubs, they allow routes to be selected by the pubs they pass. :-) \\ Resolving the 'double pub' symbols (*) in the circular maps would be good. \\ Similar issues arise with junctions, for example: * (*) [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/adv5|The Swan]] at Fradley J\\ * [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/l86b|Greyhound]] at Hawkesbury J ---PeterScott 22May2026 ---- [status=live]

As we now have amenities associated with places what do we do with places like this? Do we remove this place or remove the amenity? --- Steve ---- In this case we probably delete the place and associate the amenity with the lock. In other cases where the pub is more by itself (the SU Anchor, say) we keep the place,but with the pub details in the amenity and with the "use symbol for place") flag set. Worth adding the pub into the extra info for the place if deleting it --- Nick ---- Someone will have a list of all the **lockside** pubs :-) [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/jh0a|Big Lock]] Middlewich, [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/djic|Rising Sun]] at Berko, [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/xz2d|ThreeLocks]] at Soulbury (GU), [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/adv5|Grove Lock]] (eponymusly) L28 GUSouth, [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/mrh3|The Star]] at Stone (T&M), [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/lrtx|Red Lion]] at Fenny Stratford (GU) come to mind: these also have separate Canalplan places: although the [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/g9gj|Admiral Nelson]] at Braunston L3 does not. Nice to be consistent across the system (??) Deleting the places would break links already created - the Mintball blog for example. Resolving the 'double pub' symbols in the circular maps would be good. ---PeterScott 22May2026 ----

As we now have amenities associated with places what do we do with places like this? Do we remove this place or remove the amenity? --- Steve ---- In this case we probably delete the place and associate the amenity with the lock. In other cases where the pub is more by itself (the SU Anchor, say) we keep the place,but with the pub details in the amenity and with the "use symbol for place") flag set. Worth adding the pub into the extra info for the place if deleting it --- Nick ---- Someone will have a definitive list of all the **lockside** pubs :-) \\ * [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/jh0a|Big Lock]] Middlewich, * (*) [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/uimy|King's Lock]] Middlewich, * (*) [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/djic|Rising Sun]] at Berko, * (*) [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/xz2d|ThreeLocks]] at Soulbury (GU), * (*) [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/adv5|Grove Lock]] (eponymously) L28 GUSouth, (*) * [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/mrh3|The Star]] at Stone (T&M), * [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/lrtx|Red Lion]] at Fenny Stratford (GU) all come easily to mind These also have separate Canalplan places: although the [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/g9gj|Admiral Nelson]] at Braunston L3 does not. \\ Nice to be consistent across the system (??) \\ Deleting the places would break links already created - the Mintball blog for example, and some of these are genuinely historic locations more memorable than the locks they are alongside. \\ For those navigators whose mental map of the system is the connection between good pubs, they allow routes to be selected by the pubs they pass. :-) \\ Resolving the 'double pub' symbols (*) in the circular maps would be good. \\ Similar issues arise with junctions, for example: * (*) [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/adv5|The Swan]] at Fradley J\\ * [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/l86b|Greyhound]] at Hawkesbury J ---PeterScott 22May2026 ---- [status=live]

As we now have amenities associated with places what do we do with places like this? Do we remove this place or remove the amenity? --- Steve ---- In this case we probably delete the place and associate the amenity with the lock. In other cases where the pub is more by itself (the SU Anchor, say) we keep the place,but with the pub details in the amenity and with the "use symbol for place") flag set. Worth adding the pub into the extra info for the place if deleting it --- Nick ---- Someone will have a list of all the **lockside** pubs :-) [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/jh0a|Big Lock]] Middlewich, [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/djic|Rising Sun]] at Berko, [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/xz2d|ThreeLocks]] at Soulbury (GU), [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/mrh3|The Star]] at Stone (T&M), [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/lrtx|Red Lion]] at Fenny Stratford (GU) come to mind: these also have separate Canalplan places: although the [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/g9gj|Admiral Nelson]] at Braunston L3 does not. Nice to be consistent across the system (??) Deleting the places would break links already created - the Mintball blog for example. Resolving the 'double pub' symbols in the circular maps would be good. ---PeterScott 22May2026 ----

As we now have amenities associated with places what do we do with places like this? Do we remove this place or remove the amenity? --- Steve ---- In this case we probably delete the place and associate the amenity with the lock. In other cases where the pub is more by itself (the SU Anchor, say) we keep the place,but with the pub details in the amenity and with the "use symbol for place") flag set. Worth adding the pub into the extra info for the place if deleting it --- Nick ---- Someone will have a definitive list of all the **lockside** pubs :-) \\ * [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/jh0a|Big Lock]] Middlewich, * (*) [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/uimy|King's Lock]] Middlewich, * (*) [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/djic|Rising Sun]] at Berko, * (*) [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/xz2d|ThreeLocks]] at Soulbury (GU), * (*) [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/adv5|Grove Lock]] (eponymously) L28 GUSouth, (*) * [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/mrh3|The Star]] at Stone (T&M), * [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/lrtx|Red Lion]] at Fenny Stratford (GU) all come easily to mind These also have separate Canalplan places: although the [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/g9gj|Admiral Nelson]] at Braunston L3 does not. \\ Nice to be consistent across the system (??) \\ Deleting the places would break links already created - the Mintball blog for example, and some of these are genuinely historic locations more memorable than the locks they are alongside. \\ For those navigators whose mental map of the system is the connection between good pubs, they allow routes to be selected by the pubs they pass. :-) \\ Resolving the 'double pub' symbols (*) in the circular maps would be good. \\ Similar issues arise with junctions, for example: * (*) [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/adv5|The Swan]] at Fradley J\\ * [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/l86b|Greyhound]] at Hawkesbury J ---PeterScott 22May2026 ---- [status=live]

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As we now have amenities associated with places what do we do with places like this? Do we remove this place or remove the amenity? --- Steve ---- In this case we probably delete the place and associate the amenity with the lock. In other cases where the pub is more by itself (the SU Anchor, say) we keep the place,but with the pub details in the amenity and with the "use symbol for place") flag set. Worth adding the pub into the extra info for the place if deleting it --- Nick ---- Someone will have a list of all the **lockside** pubs :-) [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/jh0a|Big Lock]] Middlewich, [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/djic|Rising Sun]] at Berko, [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/xz2d|ThreeLocks]] at Soulbury (GU), [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/mrh3|The Star]] at Stone (T&M) come to mind: these also have separate Canalplan places: although the [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/g9gj|Admiral Nelson]] at Braunston L3, Red Lion at Fenny Stratford (GU) does not. Nice to be consistent across the system (??) Deleting the places would break links already created - the Mintball blog for example. Resolving the 'double pub' symbols in the circular maps would be good. ---PeterScott 22May2026 ----

As we now have amenities associated with places what do we do with places like this? Do we remove this place or remove the amenity? --- Steve ---- In this case we probably delete the place and associate the amenity with the lock. In other cases where the pub is more by itself (the SU Anchor, say) we keep the place,but with the pub details in the amenity and with the "use symbol for place") flag set. Worth adding the pub into the extra info for the place if deleting it --- Nick ---- Someone will have a definitive list of all the **lockside** pubs :-) \\ * [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/jh0a|Big Lock]] Middlewich, * (*) [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/uimy|King's Lock]] Middlewich, * (*) [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/djic|Rising Sun]] at Berko, * (*) [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/xz2d|ThreeLocks]] at Soulbury (GU), * (*) [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/adv5|Grove Lock]] (eponymously) L28 GUSouth, (*) * [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/mrh3|The Star]] at Stone (T&M), * [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/lrtx|Red Lion]] at Fenny Stratford (GU) all come easily to mind These also have separate Canalplan places: although the [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/g9gj|Admiral Nelson]] at Braunston L3 does not. \\ Nice to be consistent across the system (??) \\ Deleting the places would break links already created - the Mintball blog for example, and some of these are genuinely historic locations more memorable than the locks they are alongside. \\ For those navigators whose mental map of the system is the connection between good pubs, they allow routes to be selected by the pubs they pass. :-) \\ Resolving the 'double pub' symbols (*) in the circular maps would be good. \\ Similar issues arise with junctions, for example: * (*) [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/adv5|The Swan]] at Fradley J\\ * [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/l86b|Greyhound]] at Hawkesbury J ---PeterScott 22May2026 ---- [status=live]

As we now have amenities associated with places what do we do with places like this? Do we remove this place or remove the amenity? --- Steve ---- In this case we probably delete the place and associate the amenity with the lock. In other cases where the pub is more by itself (the SU Anchor, say) we keep the place,but with the pub details in the amenity and with the "use symbol for place") flag set. Worth adding the pub into the extra info for the place if deleting it --- Nick ---- Someone will have a list of all the **lockside** pubs :-) [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/jh0a|Big Lock]] Middlewich, [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/djic|Rising Sun]] at Berko, [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/xz2d|ThreeLocks]] at Soulbury (GU), [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/mrh3|The Star]] at Stone (T&M) come to mind: these also have separate Canalplan places: although the [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/g9gj|Admiral Nelon]] at Braunston L3, Red Lion at Fenny Stratford (GU) does not. Nice to be consistent across the system (??) Deleting the places would break links already created - the Mintball blog for example. Resolving the 'double pub' symbols in the circular maps would be good. ---PeterScott 22May2026 ----

As we now have amenities associated with places what do we do with places like this? Do we remove this place or remove the amenity? --- Steve ---- In this case we probably delete the place and associate the amenity with the lock. In other cases where the pub is more by itself (the SU Anchor, say) we keep the place,but with the pub details in the amenity and with the "use symbol for place") flag set. Worth adding the pub into the extra info for the place if deleting it --- Nick ---- Someone will have a definitive list of all the **lockside** pubs :-) \\ * [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/jh0a|Big Lock]] Middlewich, * (*) [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/uimy|King's Lock]] Middlewich, * (*) [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/djic|Rising Sun]] at Berko, * (*) [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/xz2d|ThreeLocks]] at Soulbury (GU), * (*) [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/adv5|Grove Lock]] (eponymously) L28 GUSouth, (*) * [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/mrh3|The Star]] at Stone (T&M), * [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/lrtx|Red Lion]] at Fenny Stratford (GU) all come easily to mind These also have separate Canalplan places: although the [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/g9gj|Admiral Nelson]] at Braunston L3 does not. \\ Nice to be consistent across the system (??) \\ Deleting the places would break links already created - the Mintball blog for example, and some of these are genuinely historic locations more memorable than the locks they are alongside. \\ For those navigators whose mental map of the system is the connection between good pubs, they allow routes to be selected by the pubs they pass. :-) \\ Resolving the 'double pub' symbols (*) in the circular maps would be good. \\ Similar issues arise with junctions, for example: * (*) [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/adv5|The Swan]] at Fradley J\\ * [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/l86b|Greyhound]] at Hawkesbury J ---PeterScott 22May2026 ---- [status=live]

As we now have amenities associated with places what do we do with places like this? Do we remove this place or remove the amenity? --- Steve ---- In this case we probably delete the place and associate the amenity with the lock. In other cases where the pub is more by itself (the SU Anchor, say) we keep the place,but with the pub details in the amenity and with the "use symbol for place") flag set. Worth adding the pub into the extra info for the place if deleting it --- Nick ---- Someone will have a list of all the **lockside** pubs :-) [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/jh0a|Big Lock]] Middlewich, [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/djic|Rising Sun]] at Berko, [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/xz2d|ThreeLocks]] at Soulbury (GU), [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/mrh3|The Star]] at Stone (T&M) come to mind: these also have separate Canalplan places: although the Red Lion at Fenny Stratford (GU) does not. Nice to be consistent across the system (??) Deleting the places would break links already created - the Mintball blog for example. Resolving the 'double pub' symbols in the circular maps would be good. ---PeterScott 22May2026 ----

As we now have amenities associated with places what do we do with places like this? Do we remove this place or remove the amenity? --- Steve ---- In this case we probably delete the place and associate the amenity with the lock. In other cases where the pub is more by itself (the SU Anchor, say) we keep the place,but with the pub details in the amenity and with the "use symbol for place") flag set. Worth adding the pub into the extra info for the place if deleting it --- Nick ---- Someone will have a definitive list of all the **lockside** pubs :-) \\ * [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/jh0a|Big Lock]] Middlewich, * (*) [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/uimy|King's Lock]] Middlewich, * (*) [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/djic|Rising Sun]] at Berko, * (*) [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/xz2d|ThreeLocks]] at Soulbury (GU), * (*) [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/adv5|Grove Lock]] (eponymously) L28 GUSouth, (*) * [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/mrh3|The Star]] at Stone (T&M), * [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/lrtx|Red Lion]] at Fenny Stratford (GU) all come easily to mind These also have separate Canalplan places: although the [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/g9gj|Admiral Nelson]] at Braunston L3 does not. \\ Nice to be consistent across the system (??) \\ Deleting the places would break links already created - the Mintball blog for example, and some of these are genuinely historic locations more memorable than the locks they are alongside. \\ For those navigators whose mental map of the system is the connection between good pubs, they allow routes to be selected by the pubs they pass. :-) \\ Resolving the 'double pub' symbols (*) in the circular maps would be good. \\ Similar issues arise with junctions, for example: * (*) [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/adv5|The Swan]] at Fradley J\\ * [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/l86b|Greyhound]] at Hawkesbury J ---PeterScott 22May2026 ---- [status=live]

As we now have amenities associated with places what do we do with places like this? Do we remove this place or remove the amenity? --- Steve ---- In this case we probably delete the place and associate the amenity with the lock. In other cases where the pub is more by itself (the SU Anchor, say) we keep the place,but with the pub details in the amenity and with the "use symbol for place") flag set. Worth adding the pub into the extra info for the place if deleting it --- Nick ---- Someone will have a list of all the **lockside** pubs :-) [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/jh0a|Big Lock]] Middlewich, [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/djic|Rising Sun]] at Berko, [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/xz2d|ThreeLocks]] at Soulbury (GU), [[the Star at Stone (T&M)|The Star]] at Stone (T&M) come to mind: these also have separate Canalplan places: although the Red Lion at Fenny Stratford (GU) does not. Nice to be consistent across the system (??) Deleting the places would break links already created - the Mintball blog for example. Resolving the 'double pub' symbols in the circular maps would be good. ---PeterScott 22May2026 ----

As we now have amenities associated with places what do we do with places like this? Do we remove this place or remove the amenity? --- Steve ---- In this case we probably delete the place and associate the amenity with the lock. In other cases where the pub is more by itself (the SU Anchor, say) we keep the place,but with the pub details in the amenity and with the "use symbol for place") flag set. Worth adding the pub into the extra info for the place if deleting it --- Nick ---- Someone will have a definitive list of all the **lockside** pubs :-) \\ * [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/jh0a|Big Lock]] Middlewich, * (*) [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/uimy|King's Lock]] Middlewich, * (*) [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/djic|Rising Sun]] at Berko, * (*) [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/xz2d|ThreeLocks]] at Soulbury (GU), * (*) [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/adv5|Grove Lock]] (eponymously) L28 GUSouth, (*) * [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/mrh3|The Star]] at Stone (T&M), * [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/lrtx|Red Lion]] at Fenny Stratford (GU) all come easily to mind These also have separate Canalplan places: although the [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/g9gj|Admiral Nelson]] at Braunston L3 does not. \\ Nice to be consistent across the system (??) \\ Deleting the places would break links already created - the Mintball blog for example, and some of these are genuinely historic locations more memorable than the locks they are alongside. \\ For those navigators whose mental map of the system is the connection between good pubs, they allow routes to be selected by the pubs they pass. :-) \\ Resolving the 'double pub' symbols (*) in the circular maps would be good. \\ Similar issues arise with junctions, for example: * (*) [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/adv5|The Swan]] at Fradley J\\ * [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/l86b|Greyhound]] at Hawkesbury J ---PeterScott 22May2026 ---- [status=live]

As we now have amenities associated with places what do we do with places like this? Do we remove this place or remove the amenity? --- Steve ---- In this case we probably delete the place and associate the amenity with the lock. In other cases where the pub is more by itself (the SU Anchor, say) we keep the place,but with the pub details in the amenity and with the "use symbol for place") flag set. Worth adding the pub into the extra info for the place if deleting it --- Nick ---- Someone will have a list of all the **lockside** pubs :-) [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/jh0a|Big Lock]] Middlewich, [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/djic|Rising Sun]] at Berko, [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/xz2d|ThreeLocks]] at Soulbury (GU) come to mind: these also have separate Canalplan places: although the Star at Stone (T&M) and the Red Lion at Fenny Stratford (GU) do not. Nice to be consistent across the system (??) Deleting the places would break links already created - the Mintball blog for example. Resolving the 'double pub' symbols in the circular maps would be good. ---PeterScott 22May2026 ----

As we now have amenities associated with places what do we do with places like this? Do we remove this place or remove the amenity? --- Steve ---- In this case we probably delete the place and associate the amenity with the lock. In other cases where the pub is more by itself (the SU Anchor, say) we keep the place,but with the pub details in the amenity and with the "use symbol for place") flag set. Worth adding the pub into the extra info for the place if deleting it --- Nick ---- Someone will have a definitive list of all the **lockside** pubs :-) \\ * [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/jh0a|Big Lock]] Middlewich, * (*) [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/uimy|King's Lock]] Middlewich, * (*) [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/djic|Rising Sun]] at Berko, * (*) [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/xz2d|ThreeLocks]] at Soulbury (GU), * (*) [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/adv5|Grove Lock]] (eponymously) L28 GUSouth, (*) * [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/mrh3|The Star]] at Stone (T&M), * [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/lrtx|Red Lion]] at Fenny Stratford (GU) all come easily to mind These also have separate Canalplan places: although the [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/g9gj|Admiral Nelson]] at Braunston L3 does not. \\ Nice to be consistent across the system (??) \\ Deleting the places would break links already created - the Mintball blog for example, and some of these are genuinely historic locations more memorable than the locks they are alongside. \\ For those navigators whose mental map of the system is the connection between good pubs, they allow routes to be selected by the pubs they pass. :-) \\ Resolving the 'double pub' symbols (*) in the circular maps would be good. \\ Similar issues arise with junctions, for example: * (*) [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/adv5|The Swan]] at Fradley J\\ * [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/l86b|Greyhound]] at Hawkesbury J ---PeterScott 22May2026 ---- [status=live]

As we now have amenities associated with places what do we do with places like this? Do we remove this place or remove the amenity? --- Steve ---- In this case we probably delete the place and associate the amenity with the lock. In other cases where the pub is more by itself (the SU Anchor, say) we keep the place,but with the pub details in the amenity and with the "use symbol for place") flag set. Worth adding the pub into the extra info for the place if deleting it --- Nick ---- Someone will have a list of all the **lockside** pubs :-) [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/jh0a|Big Lock]] Middlewich, [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/djic|Rising Sun]] at Berko, ThreeLocks at Soulbury (GU) come to mind: these also have separate Canalplan places: although the Star at Stone (T&M) and the Red Lion at Fenny Stratford (GU) do not. Nice to be consistent across the system (??) Deleting the places would break links already created - the Mintball blog for example. Resolving the 'double pub' symbols in the circular maps would be good. ---PeterScott 22May2026 ----

As we now have amenities associated with places what do we do with places like this? Do we remove this place or remove the amenity? --- Steve ---- In this case we probably delete the place and associate the amenity with the lock. In other cases where the pub is more by itself (the SU Anchor, say) we keep the place,but with the pub details in the amenity and with the "use symbol for place") flag set. Worth adding the pub into the extra info for the place if deleting it --- Nick ---- Someone will have a definitive list of all the **lockside** pubs :-) \\ * [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/jh0a|Big Lock]] Middlewich, * (*) [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/uimy|King's Lock]] Middlewich, * (*) [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/djic|Rising Sun]] at Berko, * (*) [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/xz2d|ThreeLocks]] at Soulbury (GU), * (*) [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/adv5|Grove Lock]] (eponymously) L28 GUSouth, (*) * [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/mrh3|The Star]] at Stone (T&M), * [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/lrtx|Red Lion]] at Fenny Stratford (GU) all come easily to mind These also have separate Canalplan places: although the [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/g9gj|Admiral Nelson]] at Braunston L3 does not. \\ Nice to be consistent across the system (??) \\ Deleting the places would break links already created - the Mintball blog for example, and some of these are genuinely historic locations more memorable than the locks they are alongside. \\ For those navigators whose mental map of the system is the connection between good pubs, they allow routes to be selected by the pubs they pass. :-) \\ Resolving the 'double pub' symbols (*) in the circular maps would be good. \\ Similar issues arise with junctions, for example: * (*) [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/adv5|The Swan]] at Fradley J\\ * [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/l86b|Greyhound]] at Hawkesbury J ---PeterScott 22May2026 ---- [status=live]

As we now have amenities associated with places what do we do with places like this? Do we remove this place or remove the amenity? --- Steve ---- In this case we probably delete the place and associate the amenity with the lock. In other cases where the pub is more by itself (the SU Anchor, say) we keep the place,but with the pub details in the amenity and with the "use symbol for place") flag set. Worth adding the pub into the extra info for the place if deleting it --- Nick ---- Someone will have a list of all the **lockside** pubs :-) [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/jh0a|Big Lock]] Middlewich, {{https://canalplan.org.uk/place/djic|Rising Sun]] at Berko, ThreeLocks at Soulbury (GU) come to mind: these also have separate Canalplan places: although the Star at Stone (T&M) and the Red Lion at Fenny Stratford (GU) do not. Nice to be consistent across the system (??) Deleting the places would break links already created - the Mintball blog for example. Resolving the 'double pub' symbols in the circular maps would be good. ---PeterScott 22May2026 ----

As we now have amenities associated with places what do we do with places like this? Do we remove this place or remove the amenity? --- Steve ---- In this case we probably delete the place and associate the amenity with the lock. In other cases where the pub is more by itself (the SU Anchor, say) we keep the place,but with the pub details in the amenity and with the "use symbol for place") flag set. Worth adding the pub into the extra info for the place if deleting it --- Nick ---- Someone will have a definitive list of all the **lockside** pubs :-) \\ * [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/jh0a|Big Lock]] Middlewich, * (*) [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/uimy|King's Lock]] Middlewich, * (*) [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/djic|Rising Sun]] at Berko, * (*) [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/xz2d|ThreeLocks]] at Soulbury (GU), * (*) [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/adv5|Grove Lock]] (eponymously) L28 GUSouth, (*) * [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/mrh3|The Star]] at Stone (T&M), * [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/lrtx|Red Lion]] at Fenny Stratford (GU) all come easily to mind These also have separate Canalplan places: although the [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/g9gj|Admiral Nelson]] at Braunston L3 does not. \\ Nice to be consistent across the system (??) \\ Deleting the places would break links already created - the Mintball blog for example, and some of these are genuinely historic locations more memorable than the locks they are alongside. \\ For those navigators whose mental map of the system is the connection between good pubs, they allow routes to be selected by the pubs they pass. :-) \\ Resolving the 'double pub' symbols (*) in the circular maps would be good. \\ Similar issues arise with junctions, for example: * (*) [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/adv5|The Swan]] at Fradley J\\ * [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/l86b|Greyhound]] at Hawkesbury J ---PeterScott 22May2026 ---- [status=live]

As we now have amenities associated with places what do we do with places like this? Do we remove this place or remove the amenity? --- Steve ---- In this case we probably delete the place and associate the amenity with the lock. In other cases where the pub is more by itself (the SU Anchor, say) we keep the place,but with the pub details in the amenity and with the "use symbol for place") flag set. Worth adding the pub into the extra info for the place if deleting it --- Nick ---- Someone will have a list of all the **lockside** pubs :-) [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/jh0a|Big Lock Middlewich]], Rising Sun at Berko, ThreeLocks at Soulbury (GU) come to mind: these also have separate Canalplan places: although the Star at Stone (T&M) and the Red Lion at Fenny Stratford (GU) do not. Nice to be consistent across the system (??) Deleting the places would break links already created - the Mintball blog for example. Resolving the 'double pub' symbols in the circular maps would be good. ---PeterScott 22May2026 ----

As we now have amenities associated with places what do we do with places like this? Do we remove this place or remove the amenity? --- Steve ---- In this case we probably delete the place and associate the amenity with the lock. In other cases where the pub is more by itself (the SU Anchor, say) we keep the place,but with the pub details in the amenity and with the "use symbol for place") flag set. Worth adding the pub into the extra info for the place if deleting it --- Nick ---- Someone will have a definitive list of all the **lockside** pubs :-) \\ * [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/jh0a|Big Lock]] Middlewich, * (*) [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/uimy|King's Lock]] Middlewich, * (*) [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/djic|Rising Sun]] at Berko, * (*) [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/xz2d|ThreeLocks]] at Soulbury (GU), * (*) [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/adv5|Grove Lock]] (eponymously) L28 GUSouth, (*) * [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/mrh3|The Star]] at Stone (T&M), * [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/lrtx|Red Lion]] at Fenny Stratford (GU) all come easily to mind These also have separate Canalplan places: although the [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/g9gj|Admiral Nelson]] at Braunston L3 does not. \\ Nice to be consistent across the system (??) \\ Deleting the places would break links already created - the Mintball blog for example, and some of these are genuinely historic locations more memorable than the locks they are alongside. \\ For those navigators whose mental map of the system is the connection between good pubs, they allow routes to be selected by the pubs they pass. :-) \\ Resolving the 'double pub' symbols (*) in the circular maps would be good. \\ Similar issues arise with junctions, for example: * (*) [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/adv5|The Swan]] at Fradley J\\ * [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/l86b|Greyhound]] at Hawkesbury J ---PeterScott 22May2026 ---- [status=live]

As we now have amenities associated with places what do we do with places like this? Do we remove this place or remove the amenity? --- Steve ---- In this case we probably delete the place and associate the amenity with the lock. In other cases where the pub is more by itself (the SU Anchor, say) we keep the place,but with the pub details in the amenity and with the "use symbol for place") flag set. Worth adding the pub into the extra info for the place if deleting it --- Nick ---- Someone will have a list of all the **lockside** pubs :-) Big Lock Middlewich, Rising Sun at Berko, ThreeLocks at Soulbury (GU) come to mind: these also have separate Canalplan places: although the Star at Stone (T&M) and the Red Lion at Fenny Stratford (GU) do not. Nice to be consistent across the system (??) Deleting the places would break links already created - the Mintball blog for example. Resolving the 'double pub' symbols in the circular maps would be good. ---PeterScott 22May2026 ----

As we now have amenities associated with places what do we do with places like this? Do we remove this place or remove the amenity? --- Steve ---- In this case we probably delete the place and associate the amenity with the lock. In other cases where the pub is more by itself (the SU Anchor, say) we keep the place,but with the pub details in the amenity and with the "use symbol for place") flag set. Worth adding the pub into the extra info for the place if deleting it --- Nick ---- Someone will have a definitive list of all the **lockside** pubs :-) \\ * [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/jh0a|Big Lock]] Middlewich, * (*) [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/uimy|King's Lock]] Middlewich, * (*) [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/djic|Rising Sun]] at Berko, * (*) [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/xz2d|ThreeLocks]] at Soulbury (GU), * (*) [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/adv5|Grove Lock]] (eponymously) L28 GUSouth, (*) * [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/mrh3|The Star]] at Stone (T&M), * [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/lrtx|Red Lion]] at Fenny Stratford (GU) all come easily to mind These also have separate Canalplan places: although the [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/g9gj|Admiral Nelson]] at Braunston L3 does not. \\ Nice to be consistent across the system (??) \\ Deleting the places would break links already created - the Mintball blog for example, and some of these are genuinely historic locations more memorable than the locks they are alongside. \\ For those navigators whose mental map of the system is the connection between good pubs, they allow routes to be selected by the pubs they pass. :-) \\ Resolving the 'double pub' symbols (*) in the circular maps would be good. \\ Similar issues arise with junctions, for example: * (*) [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/adv5|The Swan]] at Fradley J\\ * [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/l86b|Greyhound]] at Hawkesbury J ---PeterScott 22May2026 ---- [status=live]

As we now have amenities associated with places what do we do with places like this? Do we remove this place or remove the amenity? --- Steve ---- In this case we probably delete the place and associate the amenity with the lock. In other cases where the pub is more by itself (the SU Anchor, say) we keep the place,but with the pub details in the amenity and with the "use symbol for place") flag set. Worth adding the pub into the extra info for the place if deleting it --- Nick ---- Someone will have a list of all the **lockside** pubs :-) Big Lock Middlewich, Rising Sun at Berko, ThreeLocks at Soulbury (GU) come to mind: these also have separate Canalplan places: although the Star at Stone (T&M) doesn't. Nice to be consistent across the system (??) Deleting the places would break links already created - the Mintball blog for example. Resolving the 'double pub' symbols in the circular maps would be good. ---PeterScott 22May2026 ----

As we now have amenities associated with places what do we do with places like this? Do we remove this place or remove the amenity? --- Steve ---- In this case we probably delete the place and associate the amenity with the lock. In other cases where the pub is more by itself (the SU Anchor, say) we keep the place,but with the pub details in the amenity and with the "use symbol for place") flag set. Worth adding the pub into the extra info for the place if deleting it --- Nick ---- Someone will have a definitive list of all the **lockside** pubs :-) \\ * [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/jh0a|Big Lock]] Middlewich, * (*) [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/uimy|King's Lock]] Middlewich, * (*) [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/djic|Rising Sun]] at Berko, * (*) [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/xz2d|ThreeLocks]] at Soulbury (GU), * (*) [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/adv5|Grove Lock]] (eponymously) L28 GUSouth, (*) * [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/mrh3|The Star]] at Stone (T&M), * [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/lrtx|Red Lion]] at Fenny Stratford (GU) all come easily to mind These also have separate Canalplan places: although the [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/g9gj|Admiral Nelson]] at Braunston L3 does not. \\ Nice to be consistent across the system (??) \\ Deleting the places would break links already created - the Mintball blog for example, and some of these are genuinely historic locations more memorable than the locks they are alongside. \\ For those navigators whose mental map of the system is the connection between good pubs, they allow routes to be selected by the pubs they pass. :-) \\ Resolving the 'double pub' symbols (*) in the circular maps would be good. \\ Similar issues arise with junctions, for example: * (*) [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/adv5|The Swan]] at Fradley J\\ * [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/l86b|Greyhound]] at Hawkesbury J ---PeterScott 22May2026 ---- [status=live]

As we now have amenities associated with places what do we do with places like this? Do we remove this place or remove the amenity? --- Steve ---- In this case we probably delete the place and associate the amenity with the lock. In other cases where the pub is more by itself (the SU Anchor, say) we keep the place,but with the pub details in the amenity and with the "use symbol for place") flag set. Worth adding the pub into the extra info for the place if deleting it --- Nick ---- Someone will have a list of all the **lockside** pubs :-) Big Lock Middlewich and Rising Sun at Berko come to mind: these also have separate Canalplan places: although the Star at Stone (T&M) doesn't. Nice to be consistent across the system (??) Deleting the places would break links already created - the Mintball blog for example. Resolving the 'double pub' symbols in the circular maps would be good. ---PeterScott 22May2026 ----

As we now have amenities associated with places what do we do with places like this? Do we remove this place or remove the amenity? --- Steve ---- In this case we probably delete the place and associate the amenity with the lock. In other cases where the pub is more by itself (the SU Anchor, say) we keep the place,but with the pub details in the amenity and with the "use symbol for place") flag set. Worth adding the pub into the extra info for the place if deleting it --- Nick ---- Someone will have a definitive list of all the **lockside** pubs :-) \\ * [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/jh0a|Big Lock]] Middlewich, * (*) [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/uimy|King's Lock]] Middlewich, * (*) [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/djic|Rising Sun]] at Berko, * (*) [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/xz2d|ThreeLocks]] at Soulbury (GU), * (*) [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/adv5|Grove Lock]] (eponymously) L28 GUSouth, (*) * [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/mrh3|The Star]] at Stone (T&M), * [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/lrtx|Red Lion]] at Fenny Stratford (GU) all come easily to mind These also have separate Canalplan places: although the [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/g9gj|Admiral Nelson]] at Braunston L3 does not. \\ Nice to be consistent across the system (??) \\ Deleting the places would break links already created - the Mintball blog for example, and some of these are genuinely historic locations more memorable than the locks they are alongside. \\ For those navigators whose mental map of the system is the connection between good pubs, they allow routes to be selected by the pubs they pass. :-) \\ Resolving the 'double pub' symbols (*) in the circular maps would be good. \\ Similar issues arise with junctions, for example: * (*) [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/adv5|The Swan]] at Fradley J\\ * [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/l86b|Greyhound]] at Hawkesbury J ---PeterScott 22May2026 ---- [status=live]

As we now have amenities associated with places what do we do with places like this? Do we remove this place or remove the amenity? --- Steve ---- In this case we probably delete the place and associate the amenity with the lock. In other cases where the pub is more by itself (the SU Anchor, say) we keep the place,but with the pub details in the amenity and with the "use symbol for place") flag set. Worth adding the pub into the extra info for the place if deleting it --- Nick ---- Someone will have a list of all the *lockside* pubs :-) Big Lock Middlewich and Rising Sun at Berko come to mind: these also have separate Canalplan places: although the Star at Stone (T&M) doesn't. Nice to be consistent across the system (??) Deleting the places would break links already created - the Mintball blog for example. Resolving the 'double pub' symbols in the circular maps would be good. ---PeterScott 22May2026 ----

As we now have amenities associated with places what do we do with places like this? Do we remove this place or remove the amenity? --- Steve ---- In this case we probably delete the place and associate the amenity with the lock. In other cases where the pub is more by itself (the SU Anchor, say) we keep the place,but with the pub details in the amenity and with the "use symbol for place") flag set. Worth adding the pub into the extra info for the place if deleting it --- Nick ---- Someone will have a definitive list of all the **lockside** pubs :-) \\ * [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/jh0a|Big Lock]] Middlewich, * (*) [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/uimy|King's Lock]] Middlewich, * (*) [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/djic|Rising Sun]] at Berko, * (*) [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/xz2d|ThreeLocks]] at Soulbury (GU), * (*) [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/adv5|Grove Lock]] (eponymously) L28 GUSouth, (*) * [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/mrh3|The Star]] at Stone (T&M), * [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/lrtx|Red Lion]] at Fenny Stratford (GU) all come easily to mind These also have separate Canalplan places: although the [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/g9gj|Admiral Nelson]] at Braunston L3 does not. \\ Nice to be consistent across the system (??) \\ Deleting the places would break links already created - the Mintball blog for example, and some of these are genuinely historic locations more memorable than the locks they are alongside. \\ For those navigators whose mental map of the system is the connection between good pubs, they allow routes to be selected by the pubs they pass. :-) \\ Resolving the 'double pub' symbols (*) in the circular maps would be good. \\ Similar issues arise with junctions, for example: * (*) [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/adv5|The Swan]] at Fradley J\\ * [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/l86b|Greyhound]] at Hawkesbury J ---PeterScott 22May2026 ---- [status=live]

As we now have amenities associated with places what do we do with places like this? Do we remove this place or remove the amenity? --- Steve ---- In this case we probably delete the place and associate the amenity with the lock. In other cases where the pub is more by itself (the SU Anchor, say) we keep the place,but with the pub details in the amenity and with the "use symbol for place") flag set. Worth adding the pub into the extra info for the place if deleting it --- Nick

As we now have amenities associated with places what do we do with places like this? Do we remove this place or remove the amenity? --- Steve ---- In this case we probably delete the place and associate the amenity with the lock. In other cases where the pub is more by itself (the SU Anchor, say) we keep the place,but with the pub details in the amenity and with the "use symbol for place") flag set. Worth adding the pub into the extra info for the place if deleting it --- Nick ---- Someone will have a definitive list of all the **lockside** pubs :-) \\ * [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/jh0a|Big Lock]] Middlewich, * (*) [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/uimy|King's Lock]] Middlewich, * (*) [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/djic|Rising Sun]] at Berko, * (*) [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/xz2d|ThreeLocks]] at Soulbury (GU), * (*) [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/adv5|Grove Lock]] (eponymously) L28 GUSouth, (*) * [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/mrh3|The Star]] at Stone (T&M), * [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/lrtx|Red Lion]] at Fenny Stratford (GU) all come easily to mind These also have separate Canalplan places: although the [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/g9gj|Admiral Nelson]] at Braunston L3 does not. \\ Nice to be consistent across the system (??) \\ Deleting the places would break links already created - the Mintball blog for example, and some of these are genuinely historic locations more memorable than the locks they are alongside. \\ For those navigators whose mental map of the system is the connection between good pubs, they allow routes to be selected by the pubs they pass. :-) \\ Resolving the 'double pub' symbols (*) in the circular maps would be good. \\ Similar issues arise with junctions, for example: * (*) [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/adv5|The Swan]] at Fradley J\\ * [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/l86b|Greyhound]] at Hawkesbury J ---PeterScott 22May2026 ---- [status=live]

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As we now have amenities associated with places what do we do with places like this? Do we remove this place or remove the amenity? --- Steve ---- In this case we probably delete the place and associate the amenity with the lock. In other cases where the pub is more by itself (the SU Anchor, say) we keep the place,but with the pub details in the amenity and with the "use symbol for place") flag set. --- Nick

As we now have amenities associated with places what do we do with places like this? Do we remove this place or remove the amenity? --- Steve ---- In this case we probably delete the place and associate the amenity with the lock. In other cases where the pub is more by itself (the SU Anchor, say) we keep the place,but with the pub details in the amenity and with the "use symbol for place") flag set. Worth adding the pub into the extra info for the place if deleting it --- Nick ---- Someone will have a definitive list of all the **lockside** pubs :-) \\ * [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/jh0a|Big Lock]] Middlewich, * (*) [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/uimy|King's Lock]] Middlewich, * (*) [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/djic|Rising Sun]] at Berko, * (*) [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/xz2d|ThreeLocks]] at Soulbury (GU), * (*) [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/adv5|Grove Lock]] (eponymously) L28 GUSouth, (*) * [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/mrh3|The Star]] at Stone (T&M), * [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/lrtx|Red Lion]] at Fenny Stratford (GU) all come easily to mind These also have separate Canalplan places: although the [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/g9gj|Admiral Nelson]] at Braunston L3 does not. \\ Nice to be consistent across the system (??) \\ Deleting the places would break links already created - the Mintball blog for example, and some of these are genuinely historic locations more memorable than the locks they are alongside. \\ For those navigators whose mental map of the system is the connection between good pubs, they allow routes to be selected by the pubs they pass. :-) \\ Resolving the 'double pub' symbols (*) in the circular maps would be good. \\ Similar issues arise with junctions, for example: * (*) [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/adv5|The Swan]] at Fradley J\\ * [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/l86b|Greyhound]] at Hawkesbury J ---PeterScott 22May2026 ---- [status=live]

D9nkey Back picnic site mooring

Donkey Back picnic site mooring

Donkey back picnic site plaque

D9nkey Back picnic site mooring

As we now have amenities associated with places what do we do with places like this? Do we remove this place or remove the amenity? --- Steve ----

As we now have amenities associated with places what do we do with places like this? Do we remove this place or remove the amenity? --- Steve ---- In this case we probably delete the place and associate the amenity with the lock. In other cases where the pub is more by itself (the SU Anchor, say) we keep the place,but with the pub details in the amenity and with the "use symbol for place") flag set. Worth adding the pub into the extra info for the place if deleting it --- Nick ---- Someone will have a definitive list of all the **lockside** pubs :-) \\ * [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/jh0a|Big Lock]] Middlewich, * (*) [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/uimy|King's Lock]] Middlewich, * (*) [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/djic|Rising Sun]] at Berko, * (*) [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/xz2d|ThreeLocks]] at Soulbury (GU), * (*) [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/adv5|Grove Lock]] (eponymously) L28 GUSouth, (*) * [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/mrh3|The Star]] at Stone (T&M), * [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/lrtx|Red Lion]] at Fenny Stratford (GU) all come easily to mind These also have separate Canalplan places: although the [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/g9gj|Admiral Nelson]] at Braunston L3 does not. \\ Nice to be consistent across the system (??) \\ Deleting the places would break links already created - the Mintball blog for example, and some of these are genuinely historic locations more memorable than the locks they are alongside. \\ For those navigators whose mental map of the system is the connection between good pubs, they allow routes to be selected by the pubs they pass. :-) \\ Resolving the 'double pub' symbols (*) in the circular maps would be good. \\ Similar issues arise with junctions, for example: * (*) [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/adv5|The Swan]] at Fradley J\\ * [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/l86b|Greyhound]] at Hawkesbury J ---PeterScott 22May2026 ---- [status=live]

New barn bridge 109 - mooring spot

Rishton visitor mooring

Rishton Bridge Visitor Moorings

Rishton Visitor Moorings

Rishton visitor moorings - CRT sign

Rishton bridge visitor moorings

As we now have amenities associated with places what do we do with places like this? Do we remove this place or remove the amenity? --- Steve ---- In this case we probably delete the place and associate the amenity with the lock. In other cases where the pub is more by itself (the SU Anchor, say) we keep the place,but with the pub details in the amenity and with the "use symbol for place") flag set. Worth adding the pub into the extra info for the place if deleting it --- Nick ---- Someone will have a definitive list of all the **lockside** pubs :-) \\ * [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/jh0a|Big Lock]] Middlewich, * (*) [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/uimy|King's Lock]] Middlewich, * (*) [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/djic|Rising Sun]] at Berko, * (*) [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/xz2d|ThreeLocks]] at Soulbury (GU), * (*) [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/adv5|Grove Lock]] (eponymously) L28 GUSouth, (*) * [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/mrh3|The Star]] at Stone (T&M), * [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/lrtx|Red Lion]] at Fenny Stratford (GU) all come easily to mind These also have separate Canalplan places: although the [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/g9gj|Admiral Nelson]] at Braunston L3 does not. \\ Nice to be consistent across the system (??) \\ Deleting the places would break links already created - the Mintball blog for example, and some of these are genuinely historic locations more memorable than the locks they are alongside. \\ For those navigators whose mental map of the system is the connection between good pubs, they allow routes to be selected by the pubs they pass. :-) \\ Resolving the 'double pub' symbols (*) in the circular maps would be good. \\ Similar issues arise with junctions, for example: * (*) [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/adv5|The Swan]] at Fradley J\\ * [[https://canalplan.org.uk/place/l86b|Greyhound]] at Hawkesbury J ---PeterScott 22May2026 ---- [status=live]

The Trout Inn at Tadpole Bridge.

The Trout Inn (Tadpole Bridge)

Riverside. Good moorings for patrons of the inn.

May 26 mooring at pub badly damaged, room for 60ft but precarious

May 26 mooring at pub badly damaged, room for 60ft but precarious ---- Info transferred to mooring info --- Shultzy ---- [status=closed]

Pipe bridge 115a mooring bollards

Moorings near Altham bridge 118

May 26 mooring at pub badly damaged, room for 60ft but precarious ---- Info transferred to mooring info --- Shultzy ---- [status=live]

2LR

L2

2L

L2R

Hapton Visitor Moorings

Hapton Visitor Moorings

Rose Grove Services

Rose Grove Visitor Moorings

C&RT Depot

C&RT Depot

EPRSWdt

EPRWaBCN

C&RT Depot

C&RT Depot